It is currently January 20th, 2018, 10:14 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: The Duellists *finished*
PostPosted: October 22nd, 2017, 9:59 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
The host for our clubs New Year's meetings specified "colourful" as the theme for 2018, and after half a year of minimal activity, I'd better get cracking..

The interpretation of "colourful" was left up to the participants, so I figured I'd go completely over the top and hit as many possible interpretations as possible.

Around the turn of the 19th century, two French officers took an intense dislike to each other, fighting more than thirty duels over a period of nineteen years. Say what you will about Napoleons generals, but they bore grudges with the best of them :twisted:

Joseph Conrad picked up the story as the basis for his 1908 story "The Duel: A Military Story", changeing a few minor details and generally dramatising the whole affair. Very helpfully, one of the things he changed was turning the gents in question to officers in two different hussar regiments, the 4th and the 7th. Few uniforms were ever flashier than those of the hussars at that time :-D

In 1977, Ridley Scott picked this story for his debut as a director, labeling it "The Duellists". For reasons unknown to me, he swapped the 4th regiment for the 3rd for one of the main characters, an odd choice, in my opinion, since the uniform of the officers of that regiment were grey with silver lacing, about as close to boring as one can get with hussars.

Last year, Art Girona brought out a set of 70mm figures, clearly based on the film, but oddly, they again changed the same character's regiment to the 5th, as seen in the picture. This is better than the 3rd, but in my not even remotely humble opinion, still not as good as the 4th, which uses very dark blue instead of the light blue of the 5th, providing much nicer contrast with the gold lacing, which is why I'll stick to Conrad's version.

Image

The contents of the box:
Image

The figures are beautifully scuplted and cast, with the minor niggle below. I'm not so happy with the base plate; it's messy, and will be hard to mount the figures on correctly. It's also quite cramped, especially if you want to include the chair with all the put aside kit on it. I'll be replacing that with a simple pavement base. The decision whether to include the chair and the kit has yet to be made; on the one hand, the shako and pelise are spectacular items in their own right, on the other, I'm not sure if they'll look good just sitting there next to the wild action of the swordfight.

No instructions, of course, figure builders are above such wimpy accessoiries :evil: I've done a fair share of Napoleonic figures, so I'll manage, but it can be a bit of a puzzle like this.

Now, about that niggle. Hussars carried ornaments on their upper legs. Depending on the regiment, this would be either a simple bastion, or a complex affair known as a Hungarian knot. The picture of a Historex set shows this better than words.
Image
The 5th, 7th and 10th regiments had bastions, the rest had the knot. I suspect this might be the reason for the transfer to the 5th. None of that really matters though, because these chaps are officers. For officers, rank was in part indicated by adding additional bastions surrounding the basic one, even in regiments that normally had the knot. Both figures have the single bastions for enlisted men and NCOs.
I could correct this, but just to be vile, I won't. The ever widening array of bastions of the officers becomes, in my opinion, tastlessly garish. The figures will therefore retain the lower ranks decorations on their breeches, just plain wrong, but it looks better. That doesn't help me with the chap from the 4th though, since logically, with this modification, he should have knots. I've filed off the bastions, and made a start at drawing the knots, which will be printed as decals and applied much later. Decals will probably look better than heavy relief anyway...

I've taken off the locator lugs under the boots, and drilled holes in the soles for later pinning to the base.
I had hoped to attach just the heads before painting the faces and hands (inextricably linked, since both require the same ad-hoc mix of paint for skin), but that won't work; the hands are attached to the swords, instead of to the arms. There's very little doubt about how the sword arms will be attached to the bodies, but there's considerable leeway in the relative position of the hands and swords, in fact, I'm not entirely sure which hand belongs to which fighter yet. Only test positioning with the entire hand-arm-body chain on both figures will reveal the correct way to do this. That's six parts to juggle, two of them quite heavy, and the other two very small, and I'm no acrobatic octopus :cry:
I see no alternative to at least attaching the arms to the bodies before proceeding with this puzzle, and then the hands will have to be attached before I can even start painting. This is bad, since the arms and swords will get in the way, and the risk of damage during further work seems considerable.
Oh well, it was silly to expect these two not to put up a fight :roll:


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: October 22nd, 2017, 11:20 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar
User avatar

Joined: May 1st, 2011, 8:09 pm
Posts: 3009
Location: Florida, USA
Wow. That's terrific workmanship.

David


Top
 Profile   
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: October 23rd, 2017, 12:07 am 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
dwomby wrote:
Wow. That's terrific workmanship.
The sculptor and whoever did the box art are true masters of the art. A far cry from the "photo of completed model" boxes I've seen on some aircraft kits in the past, and a great way to show what can be done with the contents of the kit.
I doubt mine will come out as good, although I'll certainly try. I find it amusing that even the box art replaced the display base, though the rest looks pretty much OOB.


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: October 23rd, 2017, 12:13 am 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar
User avatar

Joined: May 1st, 2011, 8:09 pm
Posts: 3009
Location: Florida, USA
Rob,. I'm sure you'll do the models justice. Personally, I haven't the nerve to try a figure so I salute you!

David


Top
 Profile   
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: October 24th, 2017, 6:10 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
rob_van_riel wrote:
I'm not entirely sure which hand belongs to which fighter yet. Only test positioning with the entire hand-arm-body chain on both figures will reveal the correct way to do this. That's six parts to juggle, two of them quite heavy, and the other two very small, and I'm no acrobatic octopus :cry:
I see no alternative to at least attaching the arms to the bodies before proceeding with this puzzle, and then the hands will have to be attached before I can even start painting. This is bad, since the arms and swords will get in the way, and the risk of damage during further work seems considerable.

I've got the sword arms attached to their owners, but I'm still a few hands short of being able to juggle things into alignment. There were always going to be pins in the feet for attachment to the base, so I've brought that forward. I'll make temporary bases for them, which will keep the bodies upright while I fiddle hands and swords. These bases will also help keep everthing intact while I work; with the fragility of the swords and the weight of the figures, I won't be able to put them down once the weapons are on, so they need to stay standing throughout the process.
I'm pretty sure I figured out which hand belongs to which fighter, which should help :roll:


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: October 24th, 2017, 9:24 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
I got them mounted on their temporary bases. I managed to decapitate one of them in the process, but hey, I can fix that; the remains of the glue came off cleanly, so it's actually for the best, since this will allow me to work the shoulder seams all the easier. Given that they have now become rather unwieldy anyway, I think I'll stick on the other arms as well before starting work on the skin.
Image


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: October 27th, 2017, 8:07 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
The shoulders are making me work for it. This may be due to the fact that working on a metal base is a tad different from working on plastic or resin. Filler doesn't stick quite as well, and filing, let alone sanding, takes forever; even a soft metal is rather tougher than plastics.
Oh well, I'll get it hacked eventually. Better to spend a lot of time now and get it completely right before painting, than spending even more time fixing fit issues on a half painted figure.


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 5th, 2017, 10:29 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
I think I've got the arms just about good enough.
Image
Took more filing and fiddling than I'd hoped, but that's life.

Now I just have to attach the hands and a head without ripping any arms off..

I'm beginning to form a devious plan for the chair full of kit; I'll probably spin it off to a separate project, and put just the duellists on the base.


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 12th, 2017, 12:59 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
Looks like I managed to get them posed correctly.

Image

The plan is to copy the outlines of the wooden blocks onto the intended permanent base. Then, once the figures are complete, grind off the brass rods clamping them to the wood, place the blocks in the outlines on the permanent base, mark the holes for the rods on the permanent base and drill them out. Theoretically, that should put the holes in the correct location to mount the figures, and keep the relative positioning in tact. Theoretically.. :roll:

There's some work with filler to do on the collar of the lunging hussar, and then I can get to work on the faces. After that, there's another four parts to each figure: two spurs, and two braids each. The braids especially are going to be finicky, so I don't want those on before I deal with the hair, which I intend to postpone as far as it will go for that very reason.


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 12th, 2017, 1:09 pm 
Online
Modelling Gent and Scholar
User avatar

Joined: July 31st, 2013, 11:04 am
Posts: 8469
Location: Milton Keynes
The poses look absolutely spot on from here Rob; top work

_________________
"Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so"


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 19th, 2017, 7:51 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
The defending hussar has been given a face.
Image

The real thing looks a bit angrier still, which is good :twisted: (Edit: since replaced with more accurate photo)
His hair will have to wait until a lot later, but so far I'm happy.

The brown smudges on his tunic are an all but inevitable result of the process used for creating the face; wiping most of the initial coat of oils off with a make-up sponge gives great results, but it is not a high-precision operation :roll:

Meanwhile, his opponent now has white breeches; they're supposed to be red, put putting red directly over mid-grey primer didn't seem prudent. Painting faces (to me at least) is a job that requires a level of concentration I can't keep up for long, and using oils it's a process that takes about 5 hours from start to finish (mercifully, most of that time is curing time, not work time), so I don't even try to do more than one per day; the attacker will have to wait for next week before he gets a face.


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 20th, 2017, 5:10 am 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar
User avatar

Joined: May 1st, 2011, 12:31 am
Posts: 5519
Location: Adelaide. South Australia
He does look angry. Nice work.

Nigel


Top
 Profile   
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 20th, 2017, 12:12 pm 
Offline
Delusional Miniature Killer
User avatar

Joined: July 10th, 2014, 1:03 am
Posts: 2698
Location: Glasgow
Mr. Parry does look rather peeved. :-D
Will Mr. Thrust be similarly irritable?
If the two duellists were such implacable enemies they would be really going for it I imagine. Will Mr Thrusts face be flushed with anger and the exertion of a vigorous attack?

_________________
"Spits, SLUFS and Rock 'n' Roll"


Top
 Profile   
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 20th, 2017, 6:31 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
Purplethistle wrote:
Will Mr. Thrust be similarly irritable?
If the two duellists were such implacable enemies they would be really going for it I imagine. Will Mr Thrusts face be flushed with anger and the exertion of a vigorous attack?
If anything, Mr Thrust should look worse, positively enraged (he's the real hothead of the two, at least according to the Conrad story and the movie). Even Mr Parry is rather flushed, but the colours have become a bit distorted. I'll try for another shot with a white background, maybe that will bring out the true red-in-the-face anger :grin: (Edit: done, and it did)
Certainly at the height of the feud, neither would have been interested in holding back, but (going by the movie, which I think the figures are based on) I always got the impression that this was the first fight that started the whole affair. If that is correct, Mr Parry should merely be very, very annoyed at this madman insisting on trying to kill him just for delivering an inconvenient message from a third party (this literally started out as Mr Thrust wanting to shoot, or rather, hack to pieces, the messenger), and mainly focussed on staying alive and putting a stop to this mess.


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
The Duellists *finished*
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Duellists
PostPosted: November 20th, 2017, 7:23 pm 
Offline
Modelling Gent and Scholar

Joined: November 4th, 2012, 11:28 am
Posts: 2087
Location: The Netherlands
Purplethistle wrote:
Mr. Parry does look rather peeved. :-D
Will Mr. Thrust be similarly irritable?

Perhaps we should be polite, and start calling the gentlemen by their proper names. Mr Parry is based on Pierre Dupont de l'Étang, while Mr Thrust is François Fournier-Sarlovèze.


Top
 Profile  WWW  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 49 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Macinscott 3 style by HighDefGeek