Przemek's Battle in the Battle. ***FINISHED***
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Przemek's Battle in the Battle. ***FINISHED***
Thank you for welcoming me to the Group. Just as Molly-new I'll try to glue Fairey Battle bomber.
Model 1/72 from Czech "Bilek" (repackaged Airfix) plus decals from SP-Decals, of which I will plane in the markings of Polish Bomber Squadron GRoF 301, or 300 BHoA.
Due to the large number of imperfection of the old model and short (for me) the time needed to build - I'm staying with box version, waiting impatiently for the "new tooling, new molded version".
Przemek
Model 1/72 from Czech "Bilek" (repackaged Airfix) plus decals from SP-Decals, of which I will plane in the markings of Polish Bomber Squadron GRoF 301, or 300 BHoA.
Due to the large number of imperfection of the old model and short (for me) the time needed to build - I'm staying with box version, waiting impatiently for the "new tooling, new molded version".
Przemek
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Interesting choice.
Al speling misteaks aer all mi own werk..
Its not just how good your painting is, its how good the touch-ups are too.
Its not just how good your painting is, its how good the touch-ups are too.
Re: Przemek's Battle in the Battle.
Przemek,
Good luck with this, especially with that canopy!
Regards,
Steve
Good luck with this, especially with that canopy!
I'm sure that when you are about half-way through the new tooling will be releasedPrzemek wrote: -I'm staying with box version, waiting impatiently for the "new tooling, new molded version".
Przemek
Regards,
Steve
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Thank you for kind words guys!
Life is brutal and full of ambushes ... ;)
Przemek
Steve! It is always like that. Waiting for model long time, hunt for him on auctions, collect extras, buying buckets of putty and sandpaper, aftermarket decals, sit at the workshop and .. get the message - that is! A new, nice, dimensionally correct, and in your favorite painting. ..SteveC wrote:Good luck with this, especially with that canopy!
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I'm sure that when you are about half-way through the new tooling will be released
Life is brutal and full of ambushes ... ;)
Przemek
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Looking forward to seeing how you get on with this.
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But think how satisfied you will feel, when, after all that filling and sanding you have completed itPrzemek wrote:Thank you for kind words guys!
Steve! It is always like that. Waiting for model long time, hunt for him on auctions, collect extras, buying buckets of putty and sandpaper, aftermarket decals, sit at the workshop and .. get the message - that is! A new, nice, dimensionally correct, and in your favorite painting. ..SteveC wrote:Good luck with this, especially with that canopy!
[...]
I'm sure that when you are about half-way through the new tooling will be released
Life is brutal and full of ambushes ... ;)
Przemek
Regards,
Steve
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Oki - I think, it's time to write something, and to show something... ;)
Today we remember two heroes of bttle of Britain - Hawker Hurricane and Supermarine Spitfire.
Rarely we think about the fact that the main air offensive was then .... Fairey Battle.
What he was and remembered him as the Polish pilots? I will try to present below.
English historian Stephen Bungay writes - "... Battle already in the
1933 years raised faint enthusiasm. It was, however, ordered as better than nothing ... ".
On such a equipment it has come to fly a group of young people, even though he had a waking clear associations, the term "flying coffin".
First of all - the emergence and formation of Polish squadrons in the UK - part I
October 25, 1939 in Paris - Poland, France and Britain started talks on the establishment of aviation units, consisting of Polish pilots. Polish leadership insisted on shifting the pilots and staff to England because technicians and mechanics good know equipment (armour and engines) British construction and production. However, the British invented and multiplied the difficulties and obstacles. It was not until December 8, 1939 to England came the first Polish airmen. The Poles were numbered and been disarmed. They had fall under of the RAF Volunteer Reserve.
After the capitulation of France and the British crushing defeat in Dunkirk "proud sons of Albion" felt the knife at his throat. Suddenly disappeared formal and legal difficulties, and it turned out that willingly adopt any number of Polish soldiers.
300 Polish Bomber Squadron was the first from many Polish squadrons which have been formed in the UK, as an official day of its creation is considered to 1 July 1940 year. At the beginning of the squadron received the aircraft type Fairey "Battle", and the first commander was Lt. Col. Eng. pil. Wacław Makowski. Staff counted 24 crew after three pilots each, which consisted of a pilot, gunner and radio operator. The squadron was organized from aviation personnel arriving from France at the beginning of 1940 to the Polish center in Eastchurch. The place of their training were for pilots - airport in Redhill, for observers and shooters - Hucknall Airport.
July 24, 1940 at the airport Bramcote established 301 Polish Bomber Squadron "Pomeranian".
August 5, 1940, the Polish pilots were released from the RV RAF and conscripted into the Polish Armed Forces.
Secondly - the first combat flight Polish bomber squadrons
Crews first two Polish bomber squadrons were waiting to enter the action.
The deadline was originally set for September 12. Because of the aura it was necessary to wait another two days. "...Excitement was high - says about this day col.Władysław Łapot (then a sergeant) - finally we get to the Germans. We've been waiting for this for so long. "
The order number 589 was given (as Operational Command Airports Swinderby figured at number 3). Across the English Channel, near Boulogne moved on the water targets - landing craft and artillery at Cape Griz-Nez, possibly being target number two.
So the atmosphere among the staff of 301 Squadron of the Earth Pomeranian described his chronicler: "Planned combat flight on bombing the port of Boulogne. Three crews from Squadron 301 and three crew Squadron 300. The good weather. The decision to combat flight is in the hands of the Commander of the Station. In conjunction with the Commander of the Group 1 station commander gives the order, that the combat flight is to be made. It is the first combat flight of our firsts Polish Bomber Squadrons - the long awaited… Meeting crews in Operations Station Room at 14.00. Crews receive accurate information, route, times and required signals. Then the crew are going to Intelligence Officer, who in turn issue instructions and instructs the crew about the defense, barrage balloons, gives precise objectives and explain any doubts and questions crews ".
The problem, of course, were the age aircraft, as evidenced by the ratio of Wladyslaw Łapot: "Aircraft Battle at our disposal beings poorly armed. They also had another disadvantage with whom I met as a radio-operator. The radio was outdated and primitive. To change the frequency I had to change the special coil, which kept in separate pockets of overalls that their not confused. Fairey Battle at that time only had the advantage of being much lighter than Wellington. Swinderby airport was a grassy surface, which for Wellington laden with bombs was dangerous. "
Another Polish airman Walerian Sosiński, that met the Battle in November 1940 adds: "... heavy, clumsy, it was not a successful plane. Then he had be enough…".
At 18.55 from Swinderby in the direction Boulogne started the first machine - no. L5317 BH-T with a crew composed of F/O Suliński, F/O Bujalski and Sgt Bieżuński. After another five minutes got up in the air the second Battle - L5427 BH-K with F/O Antonowicz, P/O Dejem and Sgt. Kowalski on board.
A third plane was L5353 BH-O. Piloted by P/O Jasinski, along with Sgt. Sobieszczuk and Sgt. Łapot took off about 19.05 from Swinderby by Dungcness over Boulogne and from there through Orfordness to the base.
The flight took place without interference. The first crew found itself over the target at 20.43. With the amount of 10 thousand feet dropped four 250-pound bombs, and Sgt. Bieżuński fired on positions of headlights, that prevented observation of the effects of the bombing. The crew of Antonowicz arrived in the area of the attack at the precise moment, when the first airplane was bombing. Also, with 10 thousand foot fired four bombs and two flares. As before, the effect has not been sighted. Battle set a course return of 20.49. The last machine dropped bombs from a height of 8 thousand feet at 20.55.
"... We had to come back. I remember that the route led through the channel, and then along the east coast. The problem is that received from the British paper sheet recognition codes that identify the airports had a lot of errors. When we landed in Newton instead Swinderby the British frightened. Never before they had not seen the Polish bomber crews. They checked whether we do not have bombs and just in case they took off our machine gun ... "
300 –th “Mazowiecki” Polish Bomber Squadron its baptism of fire was so behind.
At the same time they operated three crews of 301 Polish Squadron Bomber.
At the Battle L5551 GR-B with 19.05 they flew S/Ldr.Floryanowicz, F/O Voellnagel and Sgt. Smith; on L5556 GR-G 19.16 Sgt. Jensen, F/O Renkowski and Sgt.Wasilewski and L5448 GR-K crew composed of Sgt. Lenczowski, F/O Hałas and Sgt. Kasianowski.
Start these crews ended at 19.22. In reserve it was also a crew of Sgt. Bojakowski on L5535 GR-Q, which, however, the flight did not take part.
All three machines 301 Polish Squadron Bomber returned and happily landed from 22.35 to 23.05.
Bibliography - Wings with Checkered No. 22 and 23 ("In the shadow of Fighter Command glory" part I / II) and the "Berlin on the battle course " A.Janczak - "yellow tiger" MON 1979.
To be continued...
Przemek
Today we remember two heroes of bttle of Britain - Hawker Hurricane and Supermarine Spitfire.
Rarely we think about the fact that the main air offensive was then .... Fairey Battle.
What he was and remembered him as the Polish pilots? I will try to present below.
English historian Stephen Bungay writes - "... Battle already in the
1933 years raised faint enthusiasm. It was, however, ordered as better than nothing ... ".
On such a equipment it has come to fly a group of young people, even though he had a waking clear associations, the term "flying coffin".
First of all - the emergence and formation of Polish squadrons in the UK - part I
October 25, 1939 in Paris - Poland, France and Britain started talks on the establishment of aviation units, consisting of Polish pilots. Polish leadership insisted on shifting the pilots and staff to England because technicians and mechanics good know equipment (armour and engines) British construction and production. However, the British invented and multiplied the difficulties and obstacles. It was not until December 8, 1939 to England came the first Polish airmen. The Poles were numbered and been disarmed. They had fall under of the RAF Volunteer Reserve.
After the capitulation of France and the British crushing defeat in Dunkirk "proud sons of Albion" felt the knife at his throat. Suddenly disappeared formal and legal difficulties, and it turned out that willingly adopt any number of Polish soldiers.
300 Polish Bomber Squadron was the first from many Polish squadrons which have been formed in the UK, as an official day of its creation is considered to 1 July 1940 year. At the beginning of the squadron received the aircraft type Fairey "Battle", and the first commander was Lt. Col. Eng. pil. Wacław Makowski. Staff counted 24 crew after three pilots each, which consisted of a pilot, gunner and radio operator. The squadron was organized from aviation personnel arriving from France at the beginning of 1940 to the Polish center in Eastchurch. The place of their training were for pilots - airport in Redhill, for observers and shooters - Hucknall Airport.
July 24, 1940 at the airport Bramcote established 301 Polish Bomber Squadron "Pomeranian".
August 5, 1940, the Polish pilots were released from the RV RAF and conscripted into the Polish Armed Forces.
Secondly - the first combat flight Polish bomber squadrons
Crews first two Polish bomber squadrons were waiting to enter the action.
The deadline was originally set for September 12. Because of the aura it was necessary to wait another two days. "...Excitement was high - says about this day col.Władysław Łapot (then a sergeant) - finally we get to the Germans. We've been waiting for this for so long. "
The order number 589 was given (as Operational Command Airports Swinderby figured at number 3). Across the English Channel, near Boulogne moved on the water targets - landing craft and artillery at Cape Griz-Nez, possibly being target number two.
So the atmosphere among the staff of 301 Squadron of the Earth Pomeranian described his chronicler: "Planned combat flight on bombing the port of Boulogne. Three crews from Squadron 301 and three crew Squadron 300. The good weather. The decision to combat flight is in the hands of the Commander of the Station. In conjunction with the Commander of the Group 1 station commander gives the order, that the combat flight is to be made. It is the first combat flight of our firsts Polish Bomber Squadrons - the long awaited… Meeting crews in Operations Station Room at 14.00. Crews receive accurate information, route, times and required signals. Then the crew are going to Intelligence Officer, who in turn issue instructions and instructs the crew about the defense, barrage balloons, gives precise objectives and explain any doubts and questions crews ".
The problem, of course, were the age aircraft, as evidenced by the ratio of Wladyslaw Łapot: "Aircraft Battle at our disposal beings poorly armed. They also had another disadvantage with whom I met as a radio-operator. The radio was outdated and primitive. To change the frequency I had to change the special coil, which kept in separate pockets of overalls that their not confused. Fairey Battle at that time only had the advantage of being much lighter than Wellington. Swinderby airport was a grassy surface, which for Wellington laden with bombs was dangerous. "
Another Polish airman Walerian Sosiński, that met the Battle in November 1940 adds: "... heavy, clumsy, it was not a successful plane. Then he had be enough…".
At 18.55 from Swinderby in the direction Boulogne started the first machine - no. L5317 BH-T with a crew composed of F/O Suliński, F/O Bujalski and Sgt Bieżuński. After another five minutes got up in the air the second Battle - L5427 BH-K with F/O Antonowicz, P/O Dejem and Sgt. Kowalski on board.
A third plane was L5353 BH-O. Piloted by P/O Jasinski, along with Sgt. Sobieszczuk and Sgt. Łapot took off about 19.05 from Swinderby by Dungcness over Boulogne and from there through Orfordness to the base.
The flight took place without interference. The first crew found itself over the target at 20.43. With the amount of 10 thousand feet dropped four 250-pound bombs, and Sgt. Bieżuński fired on positions of headlights, that prevented observation of the effects of the bombing. The crew of Antonowicz arrived in the area of the attack at the precise moment, when the first airplane was bombing. Also, with 10 thousand foot fired four bombs and two flares. As before, the effect has not been sighted. Battle set a course return of 20.49. The last machine dropped bombs from a height of 8 thousand feet at 20.55.
"... We had to come back. I remember that the route led through the channel, and then along the east coast. The problem is that received from the British paper sheet recognition codes that identify the airports had a lot of errors. When we landed in Newton instead Swinderby the British frightened. Never before they had not seen the Polish bomber crews. They checked whether we do not have bombs and just in case they took off our machine gun ... "
300 –th “Mazowiecki” Polish Bomber Squadron its baptism of fire was so behind.
At the same time they operated three crews of 301 Polish Squadron Bomber.
At the Battle L5551 GR-B with 19.05 they flew S/Ldr.Floryanowicz, F/O Voellnagel and Sgt. Smith; on L5556 GR-G 19.16 Sgt. Jensen, F/O Renkowski and Sgt.Wasilewski and L5448 GR-K crew composed of Sgt. Lenczowski, F/O Hałas and Sgt. Kasianowski.
Start these crews ended at 19.22. In reserve it was also a crew of Sgt. Bojakowski on L5535 GR-Q, which, however, the flight did not take part.
All three machines 301 Polish Squadron Bomber returned and happily landed from 22.35 to 23.05.
Bibliography - Wings with Checkered No. 22 and 23 ("In the shadow of Fighter Command glory" part I / II) and the "Berlin on the battle course " A.Janczak - "yellow tiger" MON 1979.
To be continued...
Przemek
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Quite a detailed history there Przemek.
Did the crews stay together after the battle, and when, if ever did they receive more modern aircraft?
Regards,
Steve
Did the crews stay together after the battle, and when, if ever did they receive more modern aircraft?
Regards,
Steve
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Hi!
If I good understand your question... ;)
When was selecting crews to created squadrons tried to play squadrons by FTEs from Polish. So pilots 1 Warsaw Regiment from 1939 were sent to Squadron 300 (Ziemi Mazowieckiej = Warszawski), etc. Crews remained and lived as far as possible together, they were solid. Due to the fact that quartered at airports (the famous tin "barrel of laughter") - it was not difficult. In most cases, they were pilots, officers and staff (technicians, mechanics) educated and brought up in the air regiments in Poland, knowing each other for many years. Who flew in the September Campaign in 1939 and in France until its capitulation, and then in England.
We had no problems with rip crews, with support equipment. The problem is often a lack of confidence of the English officers. For example - Air Vice-Marshall Sir Charles F.R.Portal, who 03.08.1940 visited 300 Squadron had a pretensions and speaking it to Colonel Makowski - that British officers reported that Polish pilots fly on Fairey Battle as if it was a Spitfire...
British liaison officers often admitted that Polish soldiers were treated only as "decoration" that need somewhere to "squeeze". Often this write in memories tank crew, airmen, sailors... Time showed who was who.
New planes (Vickers Wellington) began to arrive 300 Squadron from October 18 (first Wellington). Although the second came... 24 October... The first action on these bombers carried out 16.11.1940.
And at the end of a very well known in the Polish Air Force true event that went down in history ... ;)
08.20.1940 to Bramcote came King George IV to visit Polish Squadrons 300 and 301. After viewing exercises and parades monarch asked col.Makowski
- What makes the Poles the biggest difficulties in flight training?
- Reading and understanding the King’s Regulations - replied without hesitation, Colonel Makowski (who stared in the face of the monarch did not see that the royal entourage was terrified audacity.)
Then Makowski said - Did you read it, your Majesty?
I'm sorry - said the king embarrassed - I did not ...
Model
Number of errors in the model excludes sense in my opinion, correct them. Angry outline of the rudder, too short and narrow wings, fuselage in the motor too short by about 6mm. For this canopy, which is not reminded of this with the prototype, nor with production version. Faster Airfix will release a new model, than I'll make corrections. ;)
Tomorrow I will paint the model with black paint (HUMBROL), which will also be a primer for acrylics.
Regards!
Przemek
Thank you Steve!SteveC wrote:Quite a detailed history there Przemek.
Did the crews stay together after the battle, and when, if ever did they receive more modern aircraft?
Regards,
Steve
If I good understand your question... ;)
When was selecting crews to created squadrons tried to play squadrons by FTEs from Polish. So pilots 1 Warsaw Regiment from 1939 were sent to Squadron 300 (Ziemi Mazowieckiej = Warszawski), etc. Crews remained and lived as far as possible together, they were solid. Due to the fact that quartered at airports (the famous tin "barrel of laughter") - it was not difficult. In most cases, they were pilots, officers and staff (technicians, mechanics) educated and brought up in the air regiments in Poland, knowing each other for many years. Who flew in the September Campaign in 1939 and in France until its capitulation, and then in England.
We had no problems with rip crews, with support equipment. The problem is often a lack of confidence of the English officers. For example - Air Vice-Marshall Sir Charles F.R.Portal, who 03.08.1940 visited 300 Squadron had a pretensions and speaking it to Colonel Makowski - that British officers reported that Polish pilots fly on Fairey Battle as if it was a Spitfire...
British liaison officers often admitted that Polish soldiers were treated only as "decoration" that need somewhere to "squeeze". Often this write in memories tank crew, airmen, sailors... Time showed who was who.
New planes (Vickers Wellington) began to arrive 300 Squadron from October 18 (first Wellington). Although the second came... 24 October... The first action on these bombers carried out 16.11.1940.
And at the end of a very well known in the Polish Air Force true event that went down in history ... ;)
08.20.1940 to Bramcote came King George IV to visit Polish Squadrons 300 and 301. After viewing exercises and parades monarch asked col.Makowski
- What makes the Poles the biggest difficulties in flight training?
- Reading and understanding the King’s Regulations - replied without hesitation, Colonel Makowski (who stared in the face of the monarch did not see that the royal entourage was terrified audacity.)
Then Makowski said - Did you read it, your Majesty?
I'm sorry - said the king embarrassed - I did not ...
Model
Number of errors in the model excludes sense in my opinion, correct them. Angry outline of the rudder, too short and narrow wings, fuselage in the motor too short by about 6mm. For this canopy, which is not reminded of this with the prototype, nor with production version. Faster Airfix will release a new model, than I'll make corrections. ;)
Tomorrow I will paint the model with black paint (HUMBROL), which will also be a primer for acrylics.
Regards!
Przemek
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Przemek,
Thanks for the detailed info, it's always nice to know a bit of background, as it makes the models more 'alive'.
The Battle seems to be coming together very quickly now.
Regards,
Steve
Thanks for the detailed info, it's always nice to know a bit of background, as it makes the models more 'alive'.
The Battle seems to be coming together very quickly now.
Regards,
Steve
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Primer set on the model. It's a small step for mankind, but disputes for the Battle ;)
I hope that in my mess you can see something;)
You're right, Steve. I also do not like "anonymous" models. I like to know their history, pilots or soldiers. Thanks to this I know what I'm doing.
Przemek
I hope that in my mess you can see something;)
You're right, Steve. I also do not like "anonymous" models. I like to know their history, pilots or soldiers. Thanks to this I know what I'm doing.
Przemek
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Battle in black - little today's progress ;)
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Cool!
Airfix WWII Aircraft Of The Aces.
Completed - 10
Building -
Pending -4
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Building -
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Looks Great.
Doing your brave countrymen proud!
Regards,
Steve
Doing your brave countrymen proud!
Regards,
Steve