Looking at Scalemates, it looks like it was the 1964 release, although the Airfix Corporation of America release the previous year might also be a CAP aircraftEric Mc wrote:I seem to remember that Airfix's original Harvard release carried CAP markings (or maybe I've developed aa false memory from childhood).
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The original release, shown on Scalemates was 1962, not 1964.
The Airfix USA box art of 1963 shows an SNJ which makes it a Navy aircraft.
It does not carry CAP markings.
The only kit with CAP markings that I remember was the Minicraft Cessna 172.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/240072- ... cessna-172;
The Airfix USA box art of 1963 shows an SNJ which makes it a Navy aircraft.
It does not carry CAP markings.
The only kit with CAP markings that I remember was the Minicraft Cessna 172.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/240072- ... cessna-172;
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The Monogram Tri-Pacer (c1957) that I built for the 'Winkle' Brown GB had Civil Air Patrol insignia decals. Written on the insignia, 'Civil Air Patrol - USAF Auxillary'.
I didn't use them for my build.
I didn't use them for my build.
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Yep, but the 1964 release (or re-box if you will) to which I referred appears to show CAP logos on the fuselage and tail.jRatz wrote:The original release, shown on Scalemates was 1962, not 1964.
The Airfix USA box art of 1963 shows an SNJ which makes it a Navy aircraft.
It does not carry CAP markings.
The only kit with CAP markings that I remember was the Minicraft Cessna 172.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/240072- ... cessna-172;
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I forgot about that, I knew there was something wrong with my "the only" statement :(59North wrote:The Monogram Tri-Pacer (c1957) that I built for the 'Winkle' Brown GB had Civil Air Patrol insignia decals. Written on the insignia, 'Civil Air Patrol - USAF Auxillary'.
I didn't use them for my build.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/976804- ... -tri-pacer;
That's a tough one to see. I have seen an image of that particular boxing/bagging done with ANG markings but I don't know if that was the kit decals. I have looked through all my books and can find nothing definitive either way. None of my Harvard kits are that bagging. Another quest, sigh ....iggie wrote:Yep, but the 1964 release (or re-box if you will) to which I referred appears to show CAP logos on the fuselage and tail.jRatz wrote:The original release, shown on Scalemates was 1962, not 1964.
The Airfix USA box art of 1963 shows an SNJ which makes it a Navy aircraft.
It does not carry CAP markings.
The only kit with CAP markings that I remember was the Minicraft Cessna 172.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/240072- ... cessna-172;
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I have done a little research for you John; the registration letters for the 1964 kit were N10-602 which appears to have been an aircraft of the Civil Air Patrol 35th Squadron, based (at least at some point) at San Fernando Airport, California
This website may be of interest; scroll down to the bottom eighth of the page: http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Air ... Fernan.htm
Now all you need is to find a 1964 bagged version of this kit
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Airfix-1-72- ... SwUYNaHXjA
This website may be of interest; scroll down to the bottom eighth of the page: http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Air ... Fernan.htm
Now all you need is to find a 1964 bagged version of this kit
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Airfix-1-72- ... SwUYNaHXjA
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Fascinating, thank you very much. I hadn't thought to go looking for the real thing.
I was bothered by the "military" aircraft, but this explains how they became "civil".
I was bothered by the "military" aircraft, but this explains how they became "civil".
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There does seem to be some debate around the CAP operating such obviously military aircraft and while looking for the information above I saw some references to CAP being the forerunner to the Air National Guard; how much truth there is to this I couldn't say, but it sounds plausible.....
But the photographs would seem to prove CAP had access to T6 Texans at least!
But the photographs would seem to prove CAP had access to T6 Texans at least!
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Great video John. Very informative. And good to put a face and voice to a name. I too would visit if I could.
As for CAP models. I did the Monogram 1/48 Cessna180 for the Cessna GB earlier this year and that came with CAP markings. Now I know more about the CAP that makes the model all the more special to me.
All the best
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As for CAP models. I did the Monogram 1/48 Cessna180 for the Cessna GB earlier this year and that came with CAP markings. Now I know more about the CAP that makes the model all the more special to me.
All the best
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So woke up to this.....
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Speaking to the T6s, the text suggests a bunch of guys went and bought war surplus, thus making them "civil" aircraft. CAP as originally founded (1941) was civil only and continues that today. Aircraft are either personally owned or "corporate", belonging to the national HQ. The movement of CAP into Homeland Security has probably allowed for some service, or at least service-compatible, electronics and some more capable aircraft. BUT, CAP is not military, not combat, and not even under the military chain -- it is a non-profit civil organization with an auxiliary role.iggie wrote:There does seem to be some debate around the CAP operating such obviously military aircraft and while looking for the information above I saw some references to CAP being the forerunner to the Air National Guard; how much truth there is to this I couldn't say, but it sounds plausible.....
But the photographs would seem to prove CAP had access to T6 Texans at least!
And, no CAP was not the forerunner of the ANG. Until 1947, there was only one NG, the Army NG, which included ground and air just like the Army had ground forces and air forces. With the defense realignment of 1947 which created the USAF, the Army NG aviation assets became the Air NG to match up. The NG & ANG are state forces but are also true reserve forces of the Army & USAF. Because the NG forces grew out of state militia, and are state forces unless federalized, there is no Navy, Marine, or Coast Guard National Guard. This all goes back to the founding of the country (and the state fears of a federal/national army) and that little tiff we had in the 18th Century
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This is a superbly put together video John, excellent editing and your narration is spot on, the right balance of informative but accessible.
Well done mate!
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I don't know how I missed this. Indeed a pleasure to hear you speak after all this time, and though I've seen your photo like others I expect you to be sitting on a log strumming that banjo
A great video neatly summing up the local aviation history.
A great video neatly summing up the local aviation history.
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John,
Nice video, very interesting info. If I make it over to that side of the country I will let you know.
Did you happen to make it to Nooga for the Nats? I was there.
Nice video, very interesting info. If I make it over to that side of the country I will let you know.
Did you happen to make it to Nooga for the Nats? I was there.
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Hi Phil, always welcome, let me know.philp wrote:John,
Nice video, very interesting info. If I make it over to that side of the country I will let you know.
Did you happen to make it to Nooga for the Nats? I was there.
No, I had all I needed, but on that Monday I decided to cancel for health reasons and it turned out to be a good call as my hemoglobin tanked on Thursday and I had to get a transfusion. Really annoyed, been waiting for 3 years for that one.
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