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1969 Revell's North America p-51B 1:32
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I found a you tube video of a kid doing a review of this kit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xgeX3F0_zc

From looking at this video i think I am miss an entire small spruce of the smaller parts? I found it, his was cut off the larger part of the spruce.

Nice box art and instructions:

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Nice decal but they did crack over 48 years. Need to find replacements.

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The year of the moon landing and you can build your own landing craft.

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Parts moulded in olive drab. There is are some spot of excess plastic flashing.

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I notice the propller is a 3 1/2 prop plane. I guess the plastic was not fully injected into the mold as the end is smooth and curve.

It does not look as if it was broken off. I guess I will have to build it like this. Too hard to find a properly moulded prop now.

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The clear parts have two sets of canopy and windows.

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P-51B and P-51C
An early P-51B assigned to the 356th FS, 354th FG, Eighth Air Force in England.

The two XP-51Bs[nb 2] were a more thorough conversion than the Mustang X, with a tailor-made engine installation and a complete redesign of the radiator duct. The airframe itself was strengthened, with the fuselage and engine mount area receiving more formers because of the 355 lb (161 kg) greater weight of the Packard V-1650-3 compared with the V-1710. The engine cowling was completely redesigned to house the Packard Merlin, which, because of the intercooler radiator mounted on the supercharger casing, was 5 in (130 mm) taller and used an updraught carburetor, rather than the downdraught variety of the Allison.[21] The new engine drove a four-bladed 11 ft 2 in (3.40 m)-diameter Hamilton Standard propeller that featured cuffs of hard molded rubber.[22] To cater for the increased cooling requirements of the Merlin, a new fuselage duct was designed. This housed a larger radiator, which incorporated a section for the supercharger coolant, and, forward of this and slightly lower, an oil cooler was housed in a secondary duct which drew air through the main opening and exhausted via a separate exit flap.[23]

A "duct rumble" heard by pilots in flight in the prototype P-51B resulted in a full-scale wind-tunnel test at NACA's Ames Aeronautical Laboratory. This was carried out by inserting the airplane, with the outer wing panels removed, into the 16-foot wind tunnel. A test engineer would sit in the cockpit with the wind tunnel running and listen for the duct rumble. It was eventually found that the rumble could be eliminated by increasing the gap between the lower surface of the wing and the upper lip of the cooling system duct from 1 to 2 in (25 to 51 mm). They concluded part of the boundary layer on the lower surface of the wing was being ingested into the inlet and separating, causing the radiator to vibrate and producing the rumble.[24] The production P-51B inlet was lowered even further, to give a separation of 2.63 in (67 mm) from the bottom of the wing. In addition, the shelf above the oil cooler face was removed and the inlet highlight swept back.[25]
N3B reflector gunsight with A-1 head assembly.

It was decided new P-51Bs (NA-102s) would continue with the same armament and ammunition load of the P-51A, while the bomb rack/external drop tank installation was adapted from the A-36 Apache; the racks were rated to carry up to 500 lb (230 kg) of ordnance and were also piped for drop tanks. The machineguns were aimed using the electrically illuminated N-3B reflector sight fitted with an A-1 head assembly which allowed it to be used as a gun or bomb sight through varying the angle of the reflector glass.[26] Pilots were also given the option of having ring and bead sights mounted on the top engine cowling formers. This option was discontinued with the P-51D.[27]

The first XP-51B flew on 30 November 1942.[28] Flight tests confirmed the potential of the new fighter, with the service ceiling being raised by 10,000 ft (3,000 m), with the top speed improving by 50 mph (43 kn; 80 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,100 m). American production was started in early 1943 with the P-51B (NA-102) being manufactured at Inglewood, California, and the P-51C (NA-103) at a new plant in Dallas, Texas, which was in operation by summer 1943.[nb 3] The RAF named these models Mustang Mk III. In performance tests, the P-51B reached 441 mph (383 kn; 710 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,100 m).[29] In addition, the extended range made possible by the use of drop tanks enabled the Merlin-powered Mustang to be introduced as a bomber escort with a combat radius of 750 mi (1,210 km) using two 75 US gal (62 imp gal; 280 l) 2-piece, sheet-metal stamped construction drop tanks.[29]

The range would be further increased with the introduction of an 85 US gal (71 imp gal; 320 l) self-sealing fuel tank aft of the pilot's seat, starting with P-51B-5-NA ("block 5"). When this tank was full, the center of gravity of the Mustang was moved dangerously close to the aft limit. As a result, maneuvers were restricted until the tank was down to about 25 US gal (21 imp gal; 95 l) and the external tanks had been dropped. Problems with high-speed "porpoising" of the P-51Bs and P-51Cs with the fuselage tanks would lead to the replacement of the fabric-covered elevators with metal-covered surfaces and a reduction of the tailplane incidence.[30] With the fuselage and wing tanks, plus two 75 US gal (62 imp gal; 280 l) drop tanks, the combat radius was 880 mi (1,420 km).[29]
P-51C of 311 FG, China, July 1945, shows the rarely fitted dorsal fin fillet (before the P-51D's introduction), meant to help counter control problems experienced when the fuselage fuel tank was fitted.

Despite these modifications, the P-51Bs and P-51Cs, and the newer P-51Ds and P-51Ks, experienced low-speed handling problems that could result in an involuntary "snap-roll" under certain conditions of air speed, angle of attack, gross weight, and center of gravity. Several crash reports tell of P-51Bs and P-51Cs crashing because horizontal stabilizers were torn off during maneuvering. As a result of these problems, a modification kit consisting of a dorsal fin was manufactured. One report stated:

"Unless a dorsal fin is installed on the P-51B, P-51C and P-51D airplanes, a snap roll may result when attempting a slow roll. The horizontal stabilizer will not withstand the effects of a snap roll. To prevent recurrence, the stabilizer should be reinforced in accordance with T.O. 01-60J-18 dated 8 April 1944 and a dorsal fin should be installed. Dorsal fin kits are being made available to overseas activities"

The dorsal fin kits became available in August 1944, and available as retrofits for P-51Bs and P-51Cs (but rarely used on the "razorback" -B and -C Mustangs), and to early P-51Ds and P-51Ks that had not already been built with them. Also incorporated was a change to the rudder trim tabs, which would help prevent the pilot over-controlling the aircraft and creating heavy loads on the tail unit.[31]

One of the few remaining complaints with the Merlin-powered aircraft was a poor rearward view. The canopy structure, which was the same as the Allison-engined Mustangs, was made up of flat, framed panels; the pilot gained access, or exited the cockpit by lowering the port side panel and raising the top panel to the right. The canopy could not be opened in flight and tall pilots especially, were hampered by limited headroom.[30] In order to at least partially improve the view from the Mustang, the British had field-modified some Mustangs with clear, sliding canopies called Malcolm hoods (designed by Robert Malcolm), and whose design had also been adopted by the U.S. Navy's own F4U-1D version of the Corsair in April 1944.
A Malcolm Hood-equipped Mustang Mk III flown by Wing Commander Tadeusz Nowierski, CO of 133 (Polish) Wing, RAF Coolham, July 1944.

The new structure was a frameless plexiglas moulding[nb 4] which ballooned outwards at the top and sides, increasing the headroom and allowing increased visibility to the sides and rear.[30] Because the new structure slid backward on runners, it could be slid open in flight. The aerial mast behind the canopy was replaced by a "whip" aerial which was mounted further aft and offset to the right. Most British Mk IIIs were equipped with Malcolm hoods. Several American service groups "acquired" the necessary conversion kits and some American P-51B/P-51Cs appeared with the new canopy, although the majority continued to use the original framed canopies.[30]

P-51Bs and P-51Cs started to arrive in England in August and October 1943. The P-51B/P-51C versions were sent to 15 fighter groups that were part of the 8th and 9th Air Forces in England and the 12th and 15th in Italy (the southern part of Italy was under Allied control by late 1943). Other deployments included the China Burma India Theater (CBI).

Allied strategists quickly exploited the long-range fighter as a bomber escort. It was largely due to the P-51 that daylight bombing raids deep into German territory became possible without prohibitive bomber losses in late 1943.

A number of the P-51B and P-51C aircraft were fitted for photo reconnaissance and designated F-6C.

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1969 Revell's North America p-51B 1:32
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Wow - I haven't seen one of those in years. I remember my Dad actually built one of those back around 1970 while I was doing a Revell 1/32 Spitfire. He wasn't a modeller but suddenly had the urge and did a very good job of it.

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Ho wow. The memories of building this beastie some 37 years agocome flooding back. Awesome. Same boxing as I had too iirc. Thanks for sharing.

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It will be interesting indeed to compare this against the new-tool released on Friday......!!

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Ho wow. The memories of building this beastie some 37 years agocome flooding back. Awesome. Same boxing as I had too iirc. Thanks for sharing.

All the best.

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Your welcome, i am not sure what "iirc" means? is that a typing error?

If anyone has decals please PM me. I guess I can just get a sheet of USA stars, as that is what is cracked.

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iggie wrote:
It will be interesting indeed to compare this against the new-tool released on Friday......!!


I found some flashing on this kit, I am sure you will find none on the 2017 new tooling. In 1969 it was a new tooling too.

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Wow - I haven't seen one of those in years. I remember my Dad actually built one of those back around 1970 while I was doing a Revell 1/32 Spitfire. He wasn't a modeller but suddenly had the urge and did a very good job of it.

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He must have wanted to do a kit with his son in the day, I hope I do a good job as he did.

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I just found NOS replacement decals on ebay:

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Hi Michael. iirc = if I remember correctly. Sorry. I forget that not everyone uses contractions like that.
Looking forward to seeing this one getting built.

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Michael modeller 48 wrote:
iggie wrote:
It will be interesting indeed to compare this against the new-tool released on Friday......!!


I found some flashing on this kit, I am sure you will find none on the 2017 new tooling. In 1969 it was a new tooling too.


Every kit has to be a new tool at some point! :-D

For comparison, this is my in-box review of the most recent Revell P-51: http://uamf.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=16402

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Thanks for sharing Iggie, nice review....

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Wondering if anyone in your modeling community can make a resin cast of a prop blade for you. The Airfix Hurricane II has a short shot blade in which I made about a dozen and shipped around to folks on this site.

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Thanks Jeff, i am not sure how resin cast work? Do you need to take a cast of the prop part?

Should I post a request on "need and wants"? Or could you please do one?

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I check with Migrant he does not do resin cast...he his checking with his modelling buddies...he suggested cutting off the prop and have a spinning prop look.

Other that i am still looking.....

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Why cast a blade, or even look for another prop ?

It appears that the cuff on the short-shot blade is intact, so all you need is the outer 2/3 of a blade.

All the sprue on that kit is just begging to be made into a blade -- maybe a couple pieces slightly longer than you need melted together, maybe a sprue somewhere is big enough by itself. Then a bit of work with a knife and sanding stick and there's your replacement blade. A bit of clean-up on the cuff, maybe a small hole in the cuff and blade for a brass pin and there it is.

Good news is you have 3 full blades to use as a model and there is enough sprue that you can practice on.

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